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 ## Plain Log File
-Prior to EDMC 4.1.0 the only logfile is re-created on each run of the program.
-As such you will need to re-create the issue and then make a copy of the file:
+As well as the [Debug log file](#debug-log-files) there is also the actual
+console output of the program.  This can contain a little extra output not
+found in the Debug log file, such as exceptions and tracebacks.
+**It is vital you attach *this* file/output to bug reports as well.**
 
-* Windows: `%TEMP%\EDMarketConnector.log`
-* Mac: `$TMPDIR/EDMarketConnector.log`
-* Linux: `$TMPDIR/EDMarketConnector.log`
+When running from the provided Windows 
+installer this is redirected to:
 
-This file contains redirected "standard and error output", i.e. all console
-output of the program.  As such it might contain output not present in the
-[debug log files](#debug-log-files) and it is vital you attach *this* file
-to bug reports as well.
+    %TEMP%\EDMarketConnector.log
+
+With the old (up to 3.43) macOS installer this is found in:
+
+    ${TMPDIR}/EDMarketConnector.log
+
+In all cases of [Running from source](Running-from-source.md) you will need to
+capture the output of `EDMarketConnector.py`, e.g. on Linux or macOS:
+
+    EDMarketConnector.py 2>&1 | tee "${TMPDIR}/EDMarketConnector.log"
+
+You can make that `... | tee -a ...` if you're OK with this log file growing
+until you delete or truncate it yourself.
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